[Stackless] PEP 0404 and VS 2010 (python-dev)
richard.m.tew at gmail.com
Fri Nov 22 10:17:07 CET 2013
I think you should do whatever you need to, to make this work.
I've posted to python-dev expressing why I feel like their reaction is
unreasonable, and unjustified.
I think there is value in having the Python in the name. But if you
need to ditch it to get on with things and to avoid the drama, then I
guess it needs to happen.
On 11/22/13, Christian Tismer <tismer at stackless.com> wrote:
> Richard, you get me into serious trouble.
> But don't misunderstand me - I like that!
> I think to realize that there is some serious fear of a
> Stackless Python 2.8
> I also can follow the reasoning against it.
> What may be a show-stopper is the "do not combine python and 2.8"
> issue, as there is meanwhile a licensing issue.
> I don's intend to create a war. Stackless is known enough that we can do a
> "Stackless 2.8" by it alone. People will know what it is.
> But I don't have real reasone here. I am even happy with this new approach
> from Chris Barker:
> - create a CPython executable, with a different DLL name,
> - create a SPython executable, with a different DLL name.
> The "SPython" branch would create it's Stackless 2.8 or whatever you
> The "CPython" branch would create it's CPython 2.7.X branch, heck, without
> any additions.
> The idea is to create them both, at the same time.
> These two different Python's are then installed, and people can run either
> cpython or spython, within the same install.
> It will not clash with any existing Python. It will be explicit, it will
> come with
> lots of installable extensions, and it will be there, next week.
> What do you thing - would that work as you intended?
> cheers -- Chris
> On 21.11.13 22:08, Richard Tew wrote:
>> I find it hard to take that thread seriously.
>> There's the usual crowd that are firmly against a continued 2.x. I
>> see their names and their hardline attitude every time some
>> conversation like this comes up.
>> Then there are the people that cling to tenuous claims, in order to
>> push against it.
>> Suddenly, Stackless Python is confusing? After 12 years? Never have
>> I encountered someone install Stackless Python and think they were
>> installing normal Python.
>> And the trademark threats? What?! More nonsense.
>> I simply don't see the problem here. No reasonable person is going to
>> get confused, unless we approach it in a way where we plan to
>> intentionally make them so - which we don't.
>> Let's move forward with this. You're never going to make the list
>> happy. The people who always chime in with 3.x is the way forward,
>> and 2.x is dead, will never be satisfied.
>> Better to enjoy making positive progress, than wallow in their
>> On 11/21/13, Christian Tismer <tismer at stackless.com> wrote:
>>> Hi friends,
>>> I made the attempt to get approval on stackless python 2.8, and
>>> it seems to open a discussion.
>>> PEP 404 is the funny named pep that declares python 2.7 as the
>>> end of the 2.x series.
>>> But to get a VS 2010 build, some rule must be changed. If VS 2010
>>> is an improvement, it cannot get in. If it is a bug fix, it can.
>>> They seem to definately dislike 2.8.
>>> Can you please chime in on the python-dev thread
>>> "PEP 0404 and VS 2010"
>>> ? I need help with this to get to a conclusion.
>>> cheers - chris
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