[Stackless] PEP 0404 and VS 2010 (python-dev)

[Richard Tew]

I think you should do whatever you need to, to make this work.

I've posted to python-dev expressing why I feel like their reaction is
unreasonable, and unjustified.

I think there is value in having the Python in the name.  But if you
need to ditch it to get on with things and to avoid the drama, then I
guess it needs to happen.

Cheers,
Richard.

On 11/22/13, Christian Tismer <tismer at stackless.com> wrote:
> Richard, you get me into serious trouble.
>
> But don't misunderstand me - I like that!
>
> I think to realize that there is some serious fear of a
>
>      Stackless Python 2.8
>
> version.
> I also can follow the reasoning against it.
> What may be a show-stopper is the "do not combine python and 2.8"
> issue, as there is meanwhile a licensing issue.
>
> I don's intend to create a war. Stackless is known enough that we can do a
> "Stackless 2.8" by it alone. People will know what it is.
>
> But I don't have real reasone here. I am even happy with this new approach
> from Chris Barker:
>
> - create a CPython executable, with a different DLL name,
> - create a SPython executable, with a different DLL name.
>
> The "SPython" branch would create it's Stackless 2.8 or whatever you
> propose.
> The "CPython" branch would create it's CPython 2.7.X branch, heck, without
> any additions.
>
> The idea is to create them both, at the same time.
> These two different Python's are then installed, and people can run either
> cpython or spython, within the same install.
>
> It will not clash with any existing Python. It will be explicit, it will
> come with
> lots of installable extensions, and it will be there, next week.
>
> What do you thing - would that work as you intended?
>
> cheers -- Chris
>
>
> On 21.11.13 22:08, Richard Tew wrote:
>> I find it hard to take that thread seriously.
>>
>> There's the usual crowd that are firmly against a continued 2.x.  I
>> see their names and their hardline attitude every time some
>> conversation like this comes up.
>>
>> Then there are the people that cling to tenuous claims, in order to
>> push against it.
>>
>> Suddenly, Stackless Python is confusing?  After 12 years?  Never have
>> I encountered someone install Stackless Python and think they were
>> installing normal Python.
>>
>> And the trademark threats?  What?!  More nonsense.
>>
>> I simply don't see the problem here.  No reasonable person is going to
>> get confused, unless we approach it in a way where we plan to
>> intentionally make them so - which we don't.
>>
>> Let's move forward with this.  You're never going to make the list
>> happy.  The people who always chime in with 3.x is the way forward,
>> and 2.x is dead, will never be satisfied.
>>
>> Better to enjoy making positive progress, than wallow in their
>> negativity.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Richard.
>>
>> On 11/21/13, Christian Tismer <tismer at stackless.com> wrote:
>>> Hi friends,
>>>
>>> I made the attempt to get approval on stackless python 2.8, and
>>> it seems to open a discussion.
>>> PEP 404 is the funny named pep that declares python 2.7 as the
>>> end of the 2.x series.
>>>
>>> But to get a VS 2010 build, some rule must be changed. If VS 2010
>>> is an improvement, it cannot get in. If it is a bug fix, it can.
>>> They seem to definately dislike 2.8.
>>>
>>> Can you please chime in on the python-dev thread
>>>
>>>       "PEP 0404 and VS 2010"
>>>
>>> ? I need help with this to get to a conclusion.
>>>
>>> cheers - chris
>>>
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