Hi Chris,<div><br></div><div>which files do actually differ between stackless and vanilla python (2.7.2)? Should i build the whole solution/python build? Building the solution file gives me a lot of missing file errors and a huge amount of files that make no sense to me.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Cheers, Lars</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 11:42 PM, Christian Tismer <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tismer@stackless.com" target="_blank">tismer@stackless.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>Hey Lars,<br>
<br>
I have to admit that I didn't build Stackless on Windows for a
long time.<br>
But Visual Studio 2008 works definately.<br>
There is also a pip version in the works, stackless as a
pseudo-plugin...<br>
<br>
Well, to build it if you have Visual Studio, take the whole
project download<br>
from mercurial:<br>
<br>
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hg clone <a href="http://hg.python.org/stackless/" target="_blank">http://hg.python.org/stackless/</a>
hg update v2.7.2-slp
Then open the project with Visual Studio in pcbuild, select the
right version for building (32bit, since PySide is 32bit)
and compile it.
The notes on cpython are applicable as well:
<a href="http://docs.python.org/devguide/setup.html#windows-compiling" target="_blank">http://docs.python.org/devguide/setup.html#windows-compiling</a>
and the express version of VStudio 2008 should work (but I never used it)
<a href="http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=14597" target="_blank">http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=14597</a>
cheers - chris
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On 12/7/12 8:38 PM, lars van Gemerden wrote:<br>
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</div><div><div class="h5"><blockquote type="cite">He Chris,
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<div>I assume that the repair just replaced all files included in
the download, but given the date i am pretty sure it is the same
download i already had.</div>
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<div>What compiler would you recommend to build from source (last
time i programmed in C(++) was around 1996)?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Cheers, Lars</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 6:53 PM,
Christian Tismer <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tismer@stackless.com" target="_blank">tismer@stackless.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>Hi Lars,<br>
<br>
what exactly did you load?<br>
<br>
The patch from Anselm is from 2012-09-28.<br>
<br>
python-2.7.2-stackless.msi is still from 2011-12-12.<br>
As far as I can see, all installers and binary packages
are older than the patch.<br>
<br>
Eek - you would need to build from source I think.<br>
<br>
ciao - chris
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On 07.12.12 15:48, lars van Gemerden wrote:<br>
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<div>
<blockquote type="cite">I am more then happy to help
solve this problem, but not sure exactly how. For
example <span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px">C:\Python27\Lib\site-packages\</span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px">PySide\examples\mainwindows\</span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px">sdi\sdi.py
or any other example i tried does not crash on
exit for me (at least not now). My own software
does not crash on exit either (mostly/only on
start-up, but very unpredictably).</span>
<div> <font face="arial, sans-serif"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif">Did anyone try
the </font><span style="font-size:12.727272033691406px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">C:\Python27\Lib\site-packages\</span><span style="font-size:12.727272033691406px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">PySide\examples\mainwindows\</span><span style="font-size:12.727272033691406px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">sdi\sdi.py
example with PyQt?</span><font face="arial,
sans-serif"><br>
</font>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px">I
could make a version of my own code with PyQt,
but i wouldn't know what to test for since
sometimes the suspect crashes don't appear for
days or weeks. </span></div>
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<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px">One
question, i read about Anselms patch above. Is
it included in the windows distributable on </span><font face="arial, sans-serif"><a href="http://www.stackless.com/wiki/Download" target="_blank">http://www.stackless.com/wiki/Download</a>?</font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif">Cheers, Lars</font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif">PS: I just
downloaded the latest version from the wiki ande
repaired-> no crashes yet :-) </font></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at
12:12 PM, lars van Gemerden <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lars@rational-it.com" target="_blank">lars@rational-it.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi Chris,
<div><br>
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<div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px">"One
thing would be interesting but involves
tome work:</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px">Can
you install PyQt instead and try the
same?"</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px">
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
<div> I am considering whether i could do so
efficiently, setting up my libs etc. isn't
really my strong suit and i have quite a
complex program. </div>
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<div> </div>
<div>Is there some symptom, test, etc. that
could help me determine whether a crash is
due to the stackless/PySide combination?
Maybe the .dll that crashed? In that case I
could switch when i am reasonably sure that
the PySide code actually triggers the crash.
Otherwise i'd have to switch, continue
working with PyQt and if no seemingly
related crash occurs for say 2 weeks, report
back, which seems a bit roundabout.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Would it be useful if i send the windows
error (APPCRASH ... etc.)?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>BTW: Most of the crashes i suspect of
being related happen during program startup,
so before any user interaction.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Cheers, Lars</div>
<div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Dec 1,
2012 at 3:56 AM, Christian Tismer <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tismer@stackless.com" target="_blank">tismer@stackless.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div>Hi Lars,<br>
<br>
this is good information!<br>
Since you don't get crashes from
using stackless features, it is<br>
pretty clear that the problems
must come from things that<br>
I changed to support stackless
features.<br>
<br>
Good to know.<br>
Still, it would be nice if we
had something more deterministic
to<br>
cause a crash, especially a
crash that occurs without manual<br>
interaction...<br>
<br>
I think to have a closer look
into PySide itself, to see if it
uses<br>
structures which are not
officially public.<br>
<br>
One thing would be interesting
but involves tome work:<br>
Can you install PyQt instead and
try the same?<br>
<br>
thanks & cheers - chris
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<div><br>
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On 30.11.12 11:56, lars van
Gemerden wrote:<br>
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<div>
<blockquote type="cite">I am
also working with a
combination of PySide 1.1.2
(same installer, but the
1.1.1 version had the same
problem) and stackless 2.7
on windows and have to agree
that it is pretty unstable.
It is hard to find a pattern
in the crashes and i do not
even know whether i have the
same problem, only that the
crashes come and go, even
when i do not change
anything significant to the
code. It also happens when i
do not call any code that
uses stackless explicitely
(no tasklets are created in
the portion of code that is
actually run, apart from the
main one I guess). Sometimes
i get "unknown opcode"
exceptions; could that be
related?
<div> <br>
</div>
<div>It would be very
helpful and comforting for
the future of my project
if this were resolved. If
I can help, let me know
... </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Cheers, Lars<br>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<br>
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On Fri, Nov 23, 2012
at 9:49 PM, Richard
Tew <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:richard.m.tew@gmail.com" target="_blank">richard.m.tew@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div>On Sat, Nov 24,
2012 at 7:10 AM,
Christian Tismer
<<a href="mailto:tismer@stackless.com" target="_blank">tismer@stackless.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
>
C:\Python27\Lib\site-packages\PySide\examples\mainwindows\sdi\sdi.py<br>
><br>
> Richard, can
you please tell me
the version of Qt
and PySide?<br>
><br>
> I will try
that on OS X,
first, because I'm
busy with building
PySide<br>
> anyway. What
did you install, a
win installer
package, a pip
thing<br>
> or from
source?<br>
<br>
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I installed
PySide-1.1.2.win32-py2.7.exe
which I downloaded
from the<br>
PySide website. It
uses QT 4.8 going by
the PyPI page.<br>
<br>
Yes, sdi.py, like
most examples
crashes on exit for
me. But every<br>
example I recall
trying crashed in
much the same way.<br>
<br>
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